@raphael86
Heyyyy you made ittttt
@cheerfulKiwi1776
I m so gkad you made thiss!! What did you want to chat about???🫶🫶🫶
@cheerfulKiwi1776
Psychology & what I call models of the mind 🤔 pretty much ways of thinking about the personality that highlight internal conflict & how the narrative develops
I guess to start I can explain the background of where a lot of my stuff comes from, let’s assume (I can actually prove this it turns out but that’s long) that the universe is physically reducible- by knowing all its physical attributes you understand it fully. That means no soul, no god, no metaphysical weirdness.
In that case, the universe is really just information, a state. But interestingly there’s no reason to believe that time is actually a part of this state. If there’s no soul or qualia, the “experience” of time could simple just be neurons and memories all present at a single instant at which the state exists.
This is what I call static time- the idea that only a single instant has to exist, because memories themselves are physically reducible. It’s like seeing a painting of a door to a door to a door, it looks 3D (like experience) but really it’s 2D (like remembering).
So my wonder became “why do we feel as though we experience time if things are static?” And the answer was what I called the narrative “I”, which basically allows for a “story” to be created and remembered. My hypothesis was that the brain learns from human stories and now attempts to make its story (its “experience” of time) match, and in doing so needs to make certain events happen. This is something that happened to me a lot back when I was really struggling; I’d have downs, but there had to be an up before getting worse so I’d wake up the next day feeling great, or I’d start thinking about something that got me to pursue something else or etc etc.
So anyway, my models of the mind are about trying to understand when and how the mind does that, along with highlighting divisions & internal conflict within the mind (e.g a drinker’s conscience vs want). But everything I do is mostly done alone, so I’ve never really talked it through with anyone and you seem great 😊 sorry that was a lot, feel free to ask any questions and/or rephrase to make sure you got it
@raphael86
I would like just a little more rephrase and explain because I got a bit confused about what's your question exactly. 🫶🫶
No question, sorry should have been clearer 😅 I just figured I’d write out what I was thinking
@raphael86
Nah it's okayyy. Tell me more about itt
@cheerfulKiwi1776 so my first model actually worked really well, I haven't been able to top it yet. The basic idea was that we can separate the mind into two parts; the foundation (animalistic part that you're born with) and what's built on top of it (what we learn). In doing so you get what I call the surface mind and deep mind, and their interaction often explains a lot of behavior.
Take, for example, the way people react to information they don't like. The surface mind, the "human" would think and consider it, but it just scares the deep mind. So, like an animal would, it runs away and denies it. Or overprotective parents; the deep mind has the paternal instinct of an animal, and the unaware surface mind doesn't stop it from acting.
This one I will defend to my death lol. There are a lotttt of situations that are explained with this model (e.g self-hate as abuse of deep mind, internal conflict as division between them, etc), and I think in knowing your deep mind comes a lot of peace. For me, once I learned to listen to myself and acknowledge that part, I never really regretted decisions again (as in blamed myself, I might make different choices now) because "we" made them together.
Your thoughts?
@raphael86
I never actually thought of it that way like our minds are separated into 2 divisions. Its a really different way to look at it and to be honest it does make sense with the way you present it. Although I dont really believe the "animalistic part" with the way you say it, it does make sense. I just think that our minds are really beautiful yet dangerous things. If you learn how to control it it's beautiful and you live better. But if you let it control you falling you with fears, doubts and all the other things minds do when they take over (that sometimes are truly terrifying) then you wont live good. I talk from experience here because I used to and sometimes still do suffer from DP/DR. DP/DR is depersonalization/derealization disorder which actually happens when a person suffered something traumatic. Their minds "shut down" the feeling of reality. Everything feels numb, fake and like you watch your life through a movie or a glass. Its truly terrifying because you think you lose your mind and logic. So, if people who suffer from this dont fight it by letting it happen, acknowledging that it's not real that they are not going crazy and trying grounding techniques then their minds will take over.
Anyways, sorry for the long message and sorry for getting out of your theme haha
@cheerfulKiwi1776 no worries! And I think you're right on the animalistic part, that was a strong word- I like to think of it as a little puppy. It loves to play, gets scared easily, etc.. Sometimes in parents it looks like an overprotective bear, fiercely defending their children. Animalistic makes it sound very... violent lol
And that DP/DR experience sounds terrible to go through 💙 I'm sorry you had to go through that. It does make me think of the same general model (that's what I call this deep/surface model, since it's "general" and applies to the whole population) again because it sounds like the same idea. If you had a puppy that was terribly wounded by something, it'd be so scared and afraid it'd run away from anything that resembled what'd harmed it. In the same way, when the mind is wounded, everything looks like a threat and it runs away by "shutting down." When you acknowledge what's happening, it's like picking up that scared puppy and holding it tight until it feels okay 💙 or at least those were my thoughts reading what you wrote, I don't know what it's like so sorry if I misrepresented DP/DR in any way 😅
@raphael86
Nah it's okayyy. What is your opinion about criminals psychology?
@cheerfulKiwi1776 I don't know what that is, tell me more?
@raphael86
Oh well like you know the mind that criminals have you know? I dont know how to perfectly explain it but like the psychology behind criminals and crimes. Why does someone do a crime intentionally etc.
@cheerfulKiwi1776 that sounds interesting, not sure I have an opinion (don't know enough about it). What about you?
@raphael86
Yeah well kind of why I asked you to get more opinions but like yeah.. I mostly think that people do crimes to either prove something or you know they are taking their revenge to a world that never helped them as kids or something. Some do it to just how off i suppose
@cheerfulKiwi1776 I think it's complicated.
Crimes that are done for a moral reason (call that "reasonable crime") and crime done for no moral reason (call that "reasonless crime") are two very different things. If you think about the idea behind a reasonable crime it's pretty obvious why they'd want to: some moral reason. The wonder, I think, is what made them give into that want.
Reasonless crime is actually an urge I think we all have. We all think sometimes "man I wish I could have that necklace" or "I want to punch them." Again, the question is why did they give into that urge?
The answers are the same to both. It's all restraint- the same way an overprotective parent might punch a guy for his children, a motorcyclist might punch a cop for pulling him over. They just didn't control themselves when they had the urge. Meanwhile, civilians tend to be good at restraining themselves (and that's how they stay civilians).
So I guess my final answer would be it just comes down to the person's restraint with respect to their urges. Sometimes you may not want to restrain yourself, so you just shrug off those chains, and that's I think what you're talking about.
@raphael86
I made a new one cause the other was too small.
So yeah I agree with your point. I also still think that sometimes they do it to like show off or to take their revenge
@cheerfulKiwi1776 I think you’re right on both counts. We both actually kind of looked at it on different levels; you said what the urges were, and I discussed what made people act on them. Together it’s a pretty good picture of what’s going on in their heads, I think 😊
@raphael86
Yeah! Alright next theme. Tell me something else you want us to discuss
@cheerfulKiwi1776 anything's really fine with me- what's your favorite concept/subject in psychology?
@raphael86
I don't really have a favorite one. Do you?
@raphael86
I most likely to know a bit about everything haha
