My girlfriend is depressed
Hi, I’m having a hard time supporting my girlfriend, who is depressed. She told me that she is depressed and I really want to support her but I am not sure what the best way to do that is. I really care about her and the main thing I want is to just have regular check-ins with her about how she is feeling and things like that. The challenging thing, though, is that she doesn’t really want to talk to me. I think she is probably angry with me for a lot of reasons and has a hard time expressing it to me.
For example, today she told me that she wanted to go on more “solo dates” where she would just take herself out on dates and do things that she enjoys like go to restaurants. I want to go out on dates with her as well but we haven’t done that very much since we got together a couple of years ago. She has told me that she wants me to take her out on more dates, and I have wanted to do that but have not been very good at planning them. The main thing is that I have a hard time planning things in general but I also worry about money a lot of the time because I want us to save money.
I think it doesn’t make sense for her to say that the fact that I haven’t taken her on more dates is part of why she is depressed. I know depression is complicated but it kind of feels like she is blaming me for her depression. I guess I feel kind of annoyed that she seems to be making that suggestion.
I really want to support her in her depression but she gets mad when I ask her questions and when I ask her things like how she is feeling and if she wants to share her emotions with me.
I’m just having a really hard time supporting her and I think I am also depressed and that is making it even harder for me to be there for her.
Does anyone have ideas? I’m feeling pretty lost here. Thank you.
From my own experience, when someone is asking me all the time how I'm doing when I'm going through depressive episodes, it kinda feels like they're asking "Are you better yet?". Even if that's not their intention, it feels that way and that can be very frustrating.
Perhaps instead of asking her how she's doing or if she wants to talk about her feelings, ask her what you can do to support her. And that includes giving her space if that's what she needs. And perhaps at the same time, establish some boundaries to also ensure your own peace of mind. Like maybe have a check in once a week or once every couple of weeks where she gives you an update on her state of mind. It might seem a bit... odd to schedule stuff like this. But sometimes a bit of structure can help.
As for dates... they don't have to be expensive. It can be a picnic or a hike or just staying home and making waffles for breakfast. I know I love doing those things with my boyfriend and it makes me feel close to him and cared for when for example he makes me waffles.
@confusedRaven6140 The idea of staying home and doing something sounds nice. I guess when I ask her how she is doing I just want to get a sense of how she is feeling. I get nervous when she doesn’t share things with me. But I also get what you are saying.
I guess I just want to have a more extensive conversation with her about why she is feeling depressed and really explore how I can help her based on that. I don’t know if that sounds invasive. I guess I understand her not wanting to talk about it, I don’t think I would want to open up about my own depression either.
@eumesmo
Tasking can be very helpful. But not unless and until you're ready for it. If she's not comfortable sharing it with you, pushing will only make things worse. I know you want to help. But sometimes the best thing you can do is take a step back. She knows you're there. She knows you'll listen if she needs you to.
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Yes, I think I need to step back a bit. I have a hard time just letting people be sometimes. My girlfriend says that I “hover” a lot and I don’t mean to do it I guess but I just want to know how she is doing and I worry when I haven’t talked to her for a bit.
I guess I will try to just let her be and let her know that I am here to listen if she needs….
I think the above post sheds great light especially when saying “how are you doing” can be interpreted as you asking if she’s feeling better and “done” with her depression. Like you’re constantly inside looking out the window to see if the rain stopped yet so you can get on with things.
I’m not sure how much the money thing has come into play when it comes to not going out on dates but I think that can cause a divide and drive a wedge of resentment speaking from my experience. My partner has that mindset more of saving money and not doing things but wanting to in the future whereas I’m more of a “let’s do it now life is short” type when it comes to traveling or a date to an amusement park or something like that that can cost money. One time we watched a movie(Click with Adam Sandler) about a guy who kept waiting for the future and ended up falling ill and missing his chance; it ‘s a comedy but at the same time supposed to serve as a lesson for viewers. My partner had seen it before and wanted to show me and after watching it with me reflected on how he was going to not put off things so much. However he kind of just went back to how he was in terms of saving and didn’t really stick to that idea.
now there are times I’m at a point where I’d rather travel by myself but it seems suspicious to him. I think maybe your girlfriend is at that point where it’s like she’s ready to do things on her own if you won’t do them with her. It might be worth addressing that. There’s a fine line between saving money and just not having any fun in the present and waiting for a future that never arrives. I think she could be feeling you’re treading on the wrong side of that line
@heatlightning
Also a good point. There's a fine line between being mindful of how much you spend and never doing anything fun just so you can save money. Money is worthless if you never spend it. It's good to have insurance money in case of need. Or if you have specific goals you're saving towards (I.e. buying a house, car etc). But it shouldn't come at the cost of your wellbeing now. And sometimes, a nice date with your partner is part of both of your wellbeing :)
@heatlightning The money thing is complicated. I have a really hard time managing money and am trying to become more self-reliant because I don’t want to fall back on my parents for support. My girlfriend doesn’t like my parents and I have a complicated relationship with them but my girlfriend and I live together and I just want to make sure that we are really self-reliant and “on top” of money. I have a really hard time budgeting so I think it stresses me out to pay for things that are beyond our bare necessities. I also have a bunch of medical bills I am trying to pay and stuff like that.
But anyways I think when it comes to her feelings, I mostly just want to know details of what she is feeling, and I guess I understand her not wanting to share. I think I wouldn’t want to share much either. I understand how prodding can be really stressful for the other person…
To play devils advocate, if she doesn't get a chance to express her feelings and feel heard, having everything bottle up inside might make her feel like she's a burden on the relationship. Speaking from recent experience. The best thing might be for you to share your feelings, not about her, but about life in general and maybe it'll nudge her to do the same. Don't ask her to participate, just make the opportunity for her to feel heard with the pressure of you wanting her to.
@eumesmo
These excellent responses above have offered lots of insights already.
So I will just relate my experience to you as a Listener on here. Sometimes in the past when I am Listening to a person, they are very resistant to communicate their problem to me. It’s very hard for us to be vulnerable with people, because we are always conscious of how we are being perceived by others. We sometimes think that as their partner, they should trust us more and that should make it easier for them to discuss their feelings; but this is not always the case. Sometimes our partners are the people whose regard and validation we seek the most , which might incline a suffering person instead to retreat from wanting to discuss their problems with their partners for fear that their partners will think less of them.
One thing I learned to do to encourage people to talk about their problems - Was to NOT talk about their problem! That will seem completely counterintuitive at first and might even seem contradictory. So instead of overtly prompting them and pressing them to discuss their problem precisely (goal directed questioning), I would simply have a conversation. The reason is - interviews and questions make people defensive, especially if the subject is something sensitive such as depression that evokes emotions of shame. A conversation seemingly about not much in particular sets people at ease, it’s innocuous and reduces tensions.
More importantly, I know they are here to discuss a problem with me and (the member) also knows it too. But by framing the conversation as ‘open’- and not being restricted to discussing ‘the problem’ exclusively, the pressure is removed, and it communicates to the person: No matter what you say, or don’t say; no matter what you choose to discuss or do not want to discuss - I ACCEPT YOU. It is within that frame of absolute acceptance that people usually feel comfortable and safe enough to begin discussing their problem!
No one wants to define themselves as ‘a problem’ to be ‘fixed’. When we keep pressing people to tell us how they feel, asking them ‘what’s wrong?’ with a view to offering solutions - We may be asking with the best intentions, but what we communicate to them is that we see them as a problem that needs fixing.
You come across as someone very pragmatic (you like to budget yourself, you concern yourself with financial responsibility and so on). That is good, there is a financial reality that comes with relationships. But at the same time she might feel that your relationship together has become over emphasized on responsibility (which really dampens intimacy and excitement) and has been less about connection, and spontaneity. She might even be questioning if she is just a financial burden to you instead of a loved partner, if each time she suggests a date your instinct is to calculate the affordability. It might appear to her as if being with her means you are choosing between love and money.
I meant to keep it brief but i always get carried away. 😂
Anyhow those are my thoughts.
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Thank you, this is great feedback. I want to try doing that, just talking to her about something else and hopefully that will help her feel comfortable enough to share some more challenging things with me. There is always some distance for me between “wanting” to do something and actually doing it but I will try to just have like a simple conversation with her later today about whatever. Maybe some video games she has been playing. That feedback is honestly really helpful and insightful, thank you-
Some really good feedback here. I'm gonna add mine, as someone who was pretty depressed and had a wife who tried to help in her way. Which backfired, even though intentions were good.
This might be a long response so bear with me.
First, keep your distance. Don't get sucked in, don't feel how she feels. My wife would feel my pain,she was not able to sort of protect herself against that. Not good, being sucked in stresses you out.
Second, if you have a good intention, check upon that intention first. She might not be open to it. Very important, do not try to help. More important, do not make decisions without consulting her first. For someone who is really depressed feeling involved is very important. That could be something simple like creating a shopping list. You might not get input, you might. But keep inviting her, keep asking for input.
Next, do simple things like making tea for two, and inviting her to have tea with you. Just sit down, do not talk, just enjoy the moment. I had no such moments and you can't imagine how I so wanted them. TLC, in small doses, through simple things, is so important. A hundred thousand times more important.
Do NOT ask how she feels. Do NOT ask if she needs help with anything. Just show her, by leaving her alone and by keeping distance, like doing your own things, and by making tea for two, that you are there and are not going anywhere.
Look around in the internet. There are plenty of sources where you can get valuable input, like "help, my partner is depressed, how can I deal with it". There might even be group meetings you can attend. Do some research. My wife didn't and, let's say, her help did not help, on the contrary.
I remember her saying "you have a beautiful house, pets that love you, and a wife that loves you very much". Or "why don't you go for a walk" or "why don't you go for a bike". Depression drains you, so you have no energy to do whatever, only now and then. And I would hear "you don't understand how I d ie inside every day". I did not feel understood for years.
Also, do not ask how something is going. I was, depressed and all, looking for work, well, when I had the energy which was not too often. My wife kept asking like "did you apply, did you hear back, did you go the super market X to ask if they need help". I can tell you, all I felt was an enormous pressure, way too much.
There is much more but it depends a bit on the person and the severity of her depression. Bottom line, be kind, be patient, show by leaving her alone and inviting her, consulting her for simple things, and by not trying to help her, that you understand and are there for her.
@dukeofdearham
I agree with this, though I would also add that this is still a relationship. Which means the effort needs to go both ways.
Having been on both ends (both struggling with mental health myself and having my partner struggle and not really knowing how best to support him), you have to keep in mind your own wellbeing as well (as the supporting partner). You need to establish some boundaries. The effort should never (and realistically can never) come from just one side. It's never sustainable.
I can understand how your wife felt tbh. She wanted to help but didn't know how. So it's very important to communicate with your partner. A lot of the time, giving space is the best thing to do, but they need to tell you that that's what they need. And if they don't, then I'd recommend asking, but frame the question in a "I want to help, even if that means giving you space, I just need to know if that's what you need." Kind of way.
@confusedRaven6140,
agree and agree on boundaries.
My wife's intentions were good. However she would make decisions without involving me. I felt like everything was taken away from me. Like I did not matter. Small example, she told me that the gardener would come next day. I said, why did you not ask me first? I like to work in the yard and every little thing you can accomplish when de pressed is so so so very much important to you. She would always have an explanation. No, I asked for understanding. I got to a point I gave up. And or would express my powerlessness and despair through anger. Her feeling rejected, not accepted, vilified. She has trauma issues, she would withdraw, can't deal with tension.
@dukeofdearham
I'm sorry to hear. Its never easy dealing with mental health issues.