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Anxiety and Depression Together

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AWorldofPeaceandHope September 21st, 2016

The disorders are two sides of the same coin. Over the past couple of years, clinicians and researchers alike have been moving toward a new conclusion: Depression and anxiety are not two disorders that coexist. They are two faces of one disorder.

Are you anxious or are you depressed? In the world of mental health care, where exact diagnosis dictates treatment, anxiety and depression are regarded as two distinct disorders. But in the world of real people, many suffer from both conditions. In fact, most mood disorders present as a combination of anxiety and depression. Surveys show that 60-70% of those with depression also have anxiety. And half of those with chronic anxiety also have clinically significant symptoms of depression.

The coexistence of anxiety and depression-called comorbidity in the psych biz-carries some serious repercussions. It makes the course of disorder more chronic, it impairs functioning at work and in relationships more, and it substantially raises suicide risk.

Over the past couple of years, clinicians and researchers alike have been moving towards a new conclusion: Depression and anxiety are not two disorders that coexist. They are two faces of one disorder.

"They're probably two sides of the same coin," says David Barlow, Ph.D., director of the Center for Anxiety and Related Disorders at Boston University. "The genetics seem to be the same. The neurobiology seems to overlap. The psychological and biological nature of the vulnerability are the same. It just seems that some people with the vulnerability react with anxiety to life stressors. And some people, in addition, go beyond that to become depressed."

They close down. "Depression seems to be a shutdown," explains Barlow. "Anxiety is a kind of looking to the future, seeing dangerous things that might happen in the next hour, day or weeks. Depression is all that with the addition of 'I really don't think I'm going to be able to cope with this, maybe I'll just give up.' It's shutdown marked by mental, cognitive or behavioral slowing."

At the core of the double disorder is some shared mechanism gone awry. Research points to overreactivity of the stress response system, which sends into overdrive emotional centers of the brain, including the "fear center" in the amygdala. Negative stimuli make a disproportionate impact and hijack response systems.

Mental health professionals often have difficulty distinguishing anxiety from depression, and to some degree they're off the hook. The treatments that work best for depression also combat anxiety. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) gets at response patterns central to both conditions. And the drugs most commonly used against depression, the SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, have also been proved effective against an array of anxiety disorders, from social phobia to panic and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Which drug a patient should get is based more on what he or she can tolerate rather than on symptoms.

And therein lies a problem. According to physicians Edward Shorter of Canada and Peter Tyrer of England, the prevailing view of anxiety and depression as two distinct disorders, with multiple flavors of anxiety, is a "wrong classification" that has led the pharmaceutical industry down a "blind alley." It's bad enough that the separation of anxiety and depression lacks clinical relevance. But it's also "one reason for the big slowdown in drug discovery in psychiatric drugs," the two contend in a recent article published in the British Medical Journal. It's difficult to create effective drugs for marketing-driven disease "niches."

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Who is at risk for combined anxiety and depression? There's definitely a family component. "Looking at [what disorders populate] the family history of a person who presents with either primary anxiety or depression provides a clue to whether he or she will end up with both," says Joseph Himle, Ph.D., associate director of the anxiety disorders unit at University of Michigan.

The nature of the anxiety disorder also has an influence. Obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder and social phobia are particularly associated with depression. Specific phobias are less so.

Age plays a role, too. A person who develops an anxiety disorder for the first time after age 40 is likely also to have depression, observes Himle. "Someone who develops panic attacks for the first time at age 50 often has a history of depression or is experiencing depression at the same time."

Usually, anxiety precedes depression, typically by several years. Currently, the average age of onset of any anxiety disorder is late childhood/early adolescence. Psychologist Michael Yapko, Ph.D., contends that presents a huge opportunity for the prevention of depression, as the average age of first onset is now mid-20s. "A young person is not likely to outgrow anxiety unless treated and taught cognitive skills," he says. "But aggressive treatment of the anxiety when it appears can prevent the subsequent development of depression."

"The shared cornerstone of anxiety and depression is the perceptual process of overestimating the risk in a situation and underestimating personal resources for coping." Those vulnerable see lots of risk in everyday things-applying for a job, asking for a favor, asking for a date.

Further, anxiety and depression share an avoidant coping style. Sufferers avoid what they fear instead of developing the skills to handle the kinds of situations that make them uncomfortable. Often enough a lack of social skills is at the root.

In fact, says Jerilyn Ross, LICSW, president of the Anxiety Disorders Association of America, the link between social phobia and depression is "dramatic. It often affects young people who can't go out, can't date, don't have friends. They're very isolated, all alone, and feel cut off."

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Sometimes anxiety is dispositional, and sometimes it's transmitted to children by parental overconcern. "The largest group of depression/anxiety sufferers is Baby Boomers," says Yapko. "The fastest growing group is their children. They can't teach kids what they don't know. Plus their desire to raise perfect children puts tremendous pressures on the kids. They're creating a bumper crop of anxious/depressed children."

Treatment seldom hinges on which disorder came first. "In many cases," says Ross, "the depression exists because the anxiety is so draining. Once you treat the anxiety, the depression lifts."

In practice, treatment is targeted at depression and anxiety simultaneously. "There's increasing interest in treating both disorders at the same time," reports Himle. "Cognitive behavioral therapy is particularly attractive because it has applications to both."

Studies show that it is effective against both. But sometimes the depression is so incapacitating that it has to be tackled first. Depression, for example, typically interferes with exposure therapy for anxiety, in which people confront in a graduated way situations they avoid because they give rise to overwhelming fear.

"Exposure therapy requires substantial effort," explains Himle. "That's effort that depressed people often do not have available to them." Antidepressants can make a difference. Most SSRIs are approved for use in anxiety disorders and are the first line of drug therapy. But which drug works best for whom can not be predicted in advance. It takes some trial and error.

Ross finds CBT 80-90% successful in getting people functioning well, "provided it's done correctly." Not all psychotherapy is CBT, which has a very specific set of procedures, nor is every mental health professional trained in CBT. "Patients have to make sure that is what they are really getting."

Medication and CBT are equally effective in reducing anxiety/depression. But CBT is better at preventing relapse, and it creates greater patient satisfaction. "It's more empowering," says Yapko. "Patients like feeling responsible for their own success." Further, new data suggests that the active coping CBT encourages creates new brain circuits that circumvent the dysfunctional response pathways.

Treatment averages 12 to 15 weeks, and patients can expect to see significant improvement by six weeks. "CBT doesn't involve years and years of talk therapy," says Ross. "There's homework, practice and development of lifestyle changes. Once patients learn how to identify the trigger thoughts or feelings, or events or people, they need to keep doing that. CBT gives people the tools they need."

This is an article I found from psychologytoday.com

https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200310/anxiety-and-depression-together

What do you guys think of it? Have any of you tried CBT? What are some other thoughts you have of this article?

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helpfulSugar9 September 22nd, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

Thank you so so much for posting this article!!!! It validates most of the experinces that I've had with depression and anxiety. To me, depression and anxiety has been always present in me together. It'a actually like a roller coaster, like the article kind of described. The anxxiety is the part where you can still try and fight or cope things but is afraid and depression is the state of having given up. I always despribe it to people this way. And this change is very very easy to see in me. For example, in school, I am anxious at first and work and work it through but when something goes wrong multiple times to the point where I cannot get a good grade that I want anymore, I give up through depression and quit. But then after the quarter ends, I feel relief, and then get motivated and have anxiety before school. Until things go wrong, I have copable anxiety, dermatilomania is what it's called. I have it severely on my fingers but it doesn't cause me to avoid school. It'a roller coaster ride... it's always there, next to each other.

Other passages like how depression needs to be tackled first is also true for me, because when I went into counseling to treat my dermatilomania, the counselor told me to just stop whenever I notice I am doing it. To me, that was not an option. In my mind I was like "well, duh, if I could stop it, I would but I can't and that's why I am here" "I am here to find a treatment that doesn't require effort because I am not able to give effort anymore." Those 2 thoughts that I thought screams depression.

So reading this article, made me feel like it's not that I am lazy, it's that I have depression and anxiety. I've never seen an explaination like this and I am so happy to know that what I am experiencing is a known face of depression and anxiety.

Thank you!

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 22nd, 2016

@helpfulSugar9 I'm glad you found this post helpful. When you say you have dermatilomania is that where you chew your fingers or cuticles to cope with your anxiety?

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helpfulSugar9 September 22nd, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

yes it is. I pick on them. It's been since when I was in 2nd grade. :( I'm sorry I think I didn't spell it correctly. Haha

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 22nd, 2016

@helpfulSugar9

I have that too,I just thought it was called something slightly differently. I will look it up. So,have you ever tried CBT?

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helpfulSugar9 September 23rd, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

Hi, yes, it's called Dermatillomania. I was just reading this. https://www.byrdie.com/how-to-stop-skin-picking

I;m glad to know that someone else has it too. I'm not alone... I've had it for a long time, and I don't know what I can do.

I've gone to therapy and the way was CBT but I didn't understand it. She basically told me to "stop yourself when you see yourself do it" but I can't even though I notice most of the times I do it, and that's why I am there to counseling... and she didn't understand that haha

I feel like it's too hard for me to stop, I can't invest effort in this right now as I am in college and is really stressful. It's the most stressful time and it's like I really need to do it. I do it more and become bloody most when I am stressed, or when I start school:(

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 24th, 2016

@helpfulSugar9

Yes, thats correct. I have had it since I was about 7 or so, it is a less common (and less painful and less noticable) form of self harm. It's also more impulsive and habit forming than other forms of self harm. From my understanding, the most problematic side affect is more likely of getting illnesses,since you are putting your fingers in your mouth. Try this site: skinpick.com . It is a great research and support site just for people with this issue.

It's more common than people realise, like maybe 3 or 4% of people have it,but the reason why we do it is the same reasons other self harmers do it,anxiety control...etc.....so until you can help that the skin picking will just keep going.

So you are saying CBT did not help you?

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Amystikyanna September 26th, 2016

@helpfulSugar9 Thank you for that info. I also have this and didn't know what it was called. I also never really thought about it being a form self-harm either. I guess because pimple popping is such a thing I just grouped it in with that? Is that the same thing or something different?

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namgum61 September 23rd, 2016

@helpfulSugar9 It can be challanging. Stay strong!

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RockhopperPenguin September 23rd, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

Thanks for choosing this article! Interesting topic, and one taht hits close to home. I have tried CBT this year, in fact it was thanks to another article from that same source.

First of all, some context for all that stumble upon this: I went to therapy because I have hair pulling disorder (Trichotillomania), which is a type of OCD where I have the obsessive urge to pull out my hair. And I did this whenever I got bored and spaced out or when I was stressed. Therapy taught me how to identify that urge, stop myself and behave differently instead.

What I didn't know at the time and discovered as the treatment progressed was that I am also quite depressed. This is what I find most interesting about the article, in fact. This proposal that anxiety and depression are two sides of the same coin is not exactly news, however, considering them one illness that requires the same medicine and therapy is brilliant, in my opinion.

As a patient I was surprised when I found myself diagnosed with depression when I was doing so well managing anxiety and my life seemed to be balanced and well. It seemed to come out of the blue. Knowing that it is expected to arrive (an even more so with OCD) with anxiety would have saved me countless sleepless nights.

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 24th, 2016

@PenguinsCrossing So when you did CBT how much did it help you? Alot? or some? how long did you do it for?

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RockhopperPenguin September 24th, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

I did it for 4 months, and it helped a lot. I'm still an anxious person, experience panic attacks, and depression, but I now have ways to calm myself down in a few mintes. Frequency lowered, I don't pull my hair out anymore, even if I still want to, all my symptoms are now recognizable and reduced, so I can cope easier.

Traditional therapy focuses on analyzing why things are the way they are, and that did no good for me. CBT focuses on the here and now, regardless of the origin of the behaviors, though it did cover this analysis with the use of a thought journal. This journal recorded my obsessions and compulsions in order for me to be more aware of them. After, my doctor and I would see when they occured and what could have triggered these behaviors and found ways to overcome them,either by letting them go or by adding a new coping technique to substitute the unhealthy coping mechanism I initially had. An example of this is my multitextured necklace. At first, and every now and then on a bad day, I would wear it and touch it when ever I felt like I had to pull. the textures are reassuring and keep my hands occupied elsewhere until the urge goes away.

The therapy also helped me reinforce rationalization or intrusive, obsessive irrational thoughts. OCD comes with a bunch of lovely apocalyptic ideas "if I step on a crack, I'll break my mother's back". I knew that the thoughts I had were irational, and that I couldn't stop them, yet, before cbt, I didn't get passed that. Now I can revaluate beliefs and work on doing so whenever I find flawed ones I had no idea I had.

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 29th, 2016

@PenguinsCrossing I'm glad CBT helped you. I'm aa big advocate for it myself!

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SimpleOwl September 25th, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

This is such an interesting article, thank you so much for sharing it.

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 25th, 2016

@SimpleOwl I'm glad you enjoyed the article. What especially did you get from it? Do you suffer from anxiety and depression as well?

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peacefulWarrior10 September 25th, 2016

This is a really useful article. Thanks for sharing!

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 26th, 2016

@lyricalGrace65 I'm glad you enjoyed the article. What especially did you get from it? Do you suffer from anxiety and depression as well?

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peacefulWarrior10 September 26th, 2016

@AWorldofPeaceandHope

Yes I do. I always believed that anxiety and depression are inter related. But this article reassured me that I'm right. I've recently figured out that I suffer from both of these and I'm preparing to take professional help. So with the help of this resourceful article I feel more empowered and confident about my first session with my therapist next month. Thanks again 🙂

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 28th, 2016

@lyricalGrace65 That is great! I'm glad you feel this article was helpful and gave you more comfort and knowledge as to what to talk about with your therapist. Feel free to let me know how that worked out for you. :)

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Probius September 28th, 2016

Great post! I found the article fascinating, and learned a great deal from it. Well done. :)

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AWorldofPeaceandHope OP September 29th, 2016

@Probius I'm glad you think so and I hope this meets you and Amelia's criteria. :)

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