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Risk, When Spouses Differ

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fruityPond7887 March 20th, 2023

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"Maeve was in her 50s, but she fidgeted like a grade-schooler. Finally, she handed me an overdraft notice from a bank. “It’s not my fault,” she said, “but I can’t do anything about it.” The account was in her name and her husband’s and, according to Maeve, he was spending them into the poorhouse. “I can barely talk about this,” she confessed, “but I need to make him stop.”

Maeve was upset because her husband was putting their financial future at risk. Instead of saving for retirement, he was drawing down their resources.

Maeve’s husband—the man she thought could ruin them—was in fact a distinguished professor of applied physics, an expert on heat exchange who had made a fortune consulting with power generation equipment manufacturers. But now, at age 56 and at the top of his career, he planned to leave his academic post and start his own company. He told Maeve that in ten years they’d be ten times better off than were now . . . they’d just have to spend a lot of money first.

Maeve’s husband, Phil, didn’t want investors. His plan was to self-finance the basic research. Eventually, he assumed he’d sell the company for hundreds of millions. Was he crazy? That depends. He had an idea for a new type of battery that would power electric vehicles. If current models could go maybe 200 miles without a recharge, his battery could go 1,000 miles.

But Maeve thought they could lose every penny. She worried that her husband would recklessly, obsessively, egotistically put everything they had in jeopardy. “At our age,” she said, “we shouldn’t put ourselves at risk.” She wanted my advice on how to talk with Phil about acting more prudently. The problem was that Phil had always managed their money; he had made them rich (relative to most academics); and he regarded their money as an extension of everything he had accomplished.

Yet as we age, our finances can become a concern. The last thing we want is to worry about is where the money will come from. If we’ve saved, we worry less. Phil appeared to be playing the tape backwards, so that just when he ought to be taking less risk, he was risking everything.

Maeve knew that when happily married couples fight, it’s frequently over money. In fact, they had had heated discussions in the past over Phil’s taste for gizmos. But this was something new. He had never seemed reckless. He never withdrew money from his university retirement account; their checking account was never mistakenly overdrawn. So, Maeve believed that Phil was taking steps that would have been unthinkable a few years earlier.

Maeve had tried to talk with Phil about his strategy, but, instead of keeping the conversation on a financial level—how much he should spend, where the money should come from—Phil made it all about him. Maeve did a sort of imitation of Phil: “He said ‘you’re not qualified to question my scientific judgment, and this is about science. The money will take care of itself.’” She considers his remarks defensive, a sort of smoke-screen to exclude her from further discussion about his plans. She thinks he doesn’t want anyone to curb his commitment to the (possible) breakthrough of a lifetime.

So, what started for Maeve as the sort of conversation that any wife might have with her husband had turned into a battle about his identity and ambitions. “How can I ask him to be prudent without saying that he’s not a great scientist?” she asked. I really didn’t know. Each saw the issue in such different terms. For Maeve, it was about money and their life together; for Phil, it was all about him.

Sometimes, a person who has always made us happy—and whom we assume will continue doing so—suddenly becomes a source of consternation. It’s like they don’t even hear us. As we age, we assume that we know such people, so it’s shocking when they act out of character or, rather, the character we assume that we know. This was Maeve’s situation. When exacerbated by her fears about money, it became unsettling.

So, as we spoke, I suggested that Maeve remind Phil that she had always supported his work and was his greatest admirer. Thus, she wasn’t questioning his scientific judgment but only how he proposed to allocate their resources over the coming years. Her queries (not demands!) were about their shared lives, which she had every right to discuss. In this regard, while she hoped he’d pursue a dream that could change whole industries, she wished he would do so with her and the family in mind.

In other words, I suggested that she acknowledge in principle what mattered most to him—the science, the astounding breakthrough—while reminding him that, in practical terms, more people were involved than just himself. He shouldn’t take risks that could drastically affect her and, down the road, their grown children. He should think about himself as a scientist in context with who he was as a person.

In effect, I suggested that Maeve breach the either/or dilemma (money vs. science) that Phil had created by demonstrating her support for his initiative and even for putting money into it. She just wanted him to reflect on how that money would be invested.

Getting further into the weeds, we discussed how to tell Phil that if he took early retirement, they could live on the payouts from his account, along with dividends from his other investments. She could also offer to work for the new firm, even if only to order supplies. The point, of course, was that she was willing to forego luxuries and even to work (which she hadn’t done since the children were born); in return, he should take her interests into account. They could share the undertaking.

Finally, and perhaps most important, I suggested that Maeve remind Phil that while investors would naturally want a share of any profits, they would also provide an element of security. They’d provide time. Phil could be meticulous. He wouldn’t have to rush to file patents for a technology that was still only a concept. In other words, he’d be free to do the science. He could still invest some money and maybe even retain a majority interest, but he would at least mitigate the risk.

At least things might start moving towards the center."

*While this story is mainly about Maeve and Phil, that wasn't the point of the article. The point of the article was to show that arguments can be broken down and approached without being accusatory towards the other person. Two people in an argument may see it as two different principles, which is why it is very important to discuss things in a calm manner. Conversations can help smooth things out 95% of the time, but two people have to be willing to talk calmly and openly without being accusatory. Arguments are never easy, but things will always be okay! How do you handle arguments? What methods have you found to be the most successful when trying to work out a difficult situation with a partner?*

#Arguments #Confrontation #Relationships

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User Profile: toughTiger6481
toughTiger6481 March 29th, 2023

@fruityPond7887

I handle arguments badly because my spouse cannot learn from examples he must be bitten by the snake not just hear the rattle........

while these articles try to show another positive way to reword ones desire not to loose all their money and share the risk with others .seldom does a spouse have the luxury to make another see their error as i am sure her spouse feels he accessed the risk before taking a leap.

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fruityPond7887 OP March 30th, 2023

@toughTiger6481 I agree Tiger! Sometimes, spouses may not understand the full picture until they go through the experience and see it for themselves. It can be frustrating for the other person, but I totally understand where you are coming from. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

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User Profile: kindLion1730
kindLion1730 March 31st, 2023

This article is very relatable to me, because I am a position where I am a combination of both Maeve and Phil. I have the problem of spending money that we have on things that we don’t need, and hiding it, because I feel guilty about spending the money, but I’m also having trouble talking with my spouse about it, because I’m afraid he doesn’t understand my thought process behind it or because if I try to express the reason why I feel guilty about it, he’ll turn it around to make it seem like my guilt is unnecessarily, felt, which makes me feel even more guilty about it. It feels like an endless cycle of guilt that’s only gonna build his resentment towards me.

it makes it hard for me to have a conversation with him, and expressed how I am feeling, and why I feel the need to buy things, because the way he speaks, makes me feel like I’m the one at fault. And one aspect I am at fault, but there’s a deeper meeting behind, what I do, but to him, it just sounds like excuses, when it’s really a more deeper underlying problem that I need help expressing so I can get the help I need to get past it

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fruityPond7887 OP March 31st, 2023

@kindLion1730 I understand how you are feeling and what you are going through. Do you think you just have a difficult time talking to him about anything? Maybe this is just how that manifests. I know it can be hard to share and open up about certain things. I tend to shut down when I get into arguments with my partner and it can be hard when you see the same patterns repeating over and over. Have you guys considered couples counseling? It could be a space where you both can talk freely with an unbiased third party. I hope you are able to figure things out and talk without judgment towards each other ❤️ Everything will work out in the end, it always does! ❤️

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