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User Profile: Snowy00
Snowy00 February 8th, 2024

Wow! 🤩 I honestly never would have thought to put it this way, but I love this!! Everything we go through helps us to grow 💕🌸 Remember: The rough things we go through (💩), is just fertilizer for our growth!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️

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User Profile: toughTiger6481
toughTiger6481 February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair
This is a good way to welcome growth which usually happens after a rough patch more then when things are going well.

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User Profile: Snowy00
Snowy00 OP February 9th, 2024

@toughTiger6481

Yes exactly! ♥️♥️♥️

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User Profile: HealingTalk
HealingTalk February 9th, 2024


I totally agree!

Challenges are like lifting heavy weights. 

It's painful, but you grow stronger.

Viktor Frankl quoting Nietzsche:

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@KaylaMaulfair

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User Profile: Snowy00
Snowy00 OP February 9th, 2024

@HealingTalk

I love this!!! 💕

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User Profile: GlenM
GlenM February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair I think frankl also pointed out that it isn't Nietzsche's will to power (e.g., the person that has more power over others) that is most important, but rather the will to meaning! 

“Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man’s Search for Meaning

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User Profile: HealingTalk
HealingTalk February 9th, 2024


Hi, Glen!

This is again Frankl explicitly quoting Nietzsche. He quotes that phrase in two very important passages of "Man's Search for Meaning":
 

"To be sure, man’s search for meaning may arouse inner tension rather than inner equilibrium. However, precisely such tension is an indispensable prerequisite of mental health. There is nothing in the world, I venture to say, that would so effectively help one to survive even the worst conditions as the knowledge that there is a meaning in one’s life. There is much wisdom in the words of Nietzsche: “He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how.” I can see in these words a motto which holds true for any psychotherapy." [Final "Logotherapy in a Nutshell" section] 


The death rate in the week between Christmas, 1944, and New Year’s, 1945, increased in camp beyond all previous experience. [...] the explanation for this increase did not lie in the harder working conditions or the deterioration of our food supplies or a change of weather or new epidemics. It was simply that the majority of the prisoners had lived in the naïve hope that they would be home again by Christmas. As the time drew near and there was no encouraging news, the prisoners lost courage and disappointment overcame them. This had a dangerous influence on their powers of resistance and a great number of them died.

As we said before, any attempt to restore a man’s inner strength in the camp had first to succeed in showing him some future goal. Nietzsche’s words, “He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how,” could be the guiding motto for all psychotherapeutic and psychohygienic efforts regarding prisoners.”  [Main "Experiences in a Concentration Camp" section]

@GlenM

User Profile: Snowy00
Snowy00 OP February 10th, 2024

@GlenM

I’m going to have to read Man’s Search for Meaning now! I’m loving all of the comments. Life can get hard, but I remind myself of what my purpose in life is, and it reminds me to keep going because I still have so much left to do and to experience in life. 

As a personal note, I really admire what you’ve done here on 7Cups and the vision you have for this community. It saved my life as a traumatized and desperate 15 year old. I have always loved being a part of this community and always will. So thank you for everything you do and continue to do here ♥️💕 

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User Profile: GlenM
GlenM February 11th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair I think you'll enjoy it! It is a great book. If you read it let me know what you think. @hope really got a lot out of it.

We are VERY glad you are here!!! Way to persevere! Not easy and it sounds like you have overcome a lot. Thank you for redeeming your pain and now helping to lift others up. Hats off to you! And thank you for your kind words too :)

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User Profile: HealingTalk
HealingTalk February 9th, 2024


Glad you liked it, Kayla!


@KaylaMaulfair

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February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair What an awesome post! Love it!

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Snowy00 OP February 9th, 2024

@Fristo

Thank you! ♥️ I enjoy sharing what I find, especially if it helps someone else 💕

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sadcat13 February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair made me laugh. I'm gonna have a giant tree 😂

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User Profile: Snowy00
Snowy00 OP February 9th, 2024

@sadcat13

Yes!! Use all the 💩 and grow and bloom big and bright!! ♥️💕🌸

Sending lots of love and hugs 🤗! 💕✨

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February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair

Literally facts😆

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Snowy00 OP February 9th, 2024

@HealerRecel02

I see so many of these come across my social media and they are just too good not to share! 😁

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February 10th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair

You are so kind to share this!! thank you so much!!😆💜

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Snowy00 OP February 10th, 2024

@HealerRecel02

Always! 💛✨☀️🌸

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User Profile: Gettingbettertoday
Gettingbettertoday February 9th, 2024

Its funny how we find ways of justifying the *** we have been put through. 

It's like parents that say beating their children builds character. The children grow up believing it and perpetuate the harm. 

User Profile: GlenM
GlenM February 9th, 2024

very clever and cute!

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Heather225 February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair

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User Profile: izzyy528
izzyy528 February 9th, 2024

@KaylaMaulfair

This is a beautiful way of looking at it!! I 100% agree 

User Profile: Zeraphim
Zeraphim February 10th, 2024

I struggle with this. If a person survives a genocide, and manages to find meaning in their life afterwards, does that make the genocide valuable to go through, because it was "just fertilizer for their growth?" Is genocide a method of self-improvement, in retrospect, so long as you get to be one of the ones who survives it?

I fear this validates that all of the most atrocious ways of treating fellow human beings could be justified this way, and that is alarming.

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Zeraphim February 10th, 2024

@Zeraphim If the "fertilizer" ended up killing the person, what does it say about them, that they were unable to "grow" like others did, as well?

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Zeraphim February 10th, 2024

@Zeraphim It's dangerous to idealize our traumas and rationalize them as valuable to our personal growth. It can quickly lead to social Darwinist and ableist thinking. Trauma isn't necessary for growth and can hinder growth significantly. People die from trauma. Their failure to thrive in the face of "what's good for them" is quite literally adopting the mentality of an abuser. So why should we adopt that same mindset towards ourselves?

One can say, "I survived this awful thing," without then saying, "It was good for me."

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