Skip to main content Skip to bottom nav

Member and Moderator Relationships

User Profile: FlowerInDisguise19
FlowerInDisguise19 May 4th, 2015

Hiya my lovely fellow listeners, just wanted to start off this post by saying I'm not sure about the title ahahah but hopefully you understand by reading what I'm intending to say, anyway so nowadays I've seen members getting cross at moderators more often than I used to, is it just me or is it you too? They get frustrated, kick off, aggravated, upset, feel like they're being ignored at times etc.. and they take those feelings out on the moderator if they give reminders about rules.It can get a lot for a moderator especially when they are on their own with like 18 people, yes. It can drain their energy when you are constantly having these disrespectful members towards you and then you're trying to help the chat also, whilst keeping the chat a nice comforting place to be.

Well, how do I handle disrespectful members/guests?

- Conflict resolution

- We have the muting system, please mods do give fair warnings though, don't just mute straight away check this forum out to give you a pointer on how to have a open conversation on muting! >>Open me

Fellow mods, feel free to share your feelings about what you think can be done more to deal with disrespectful/unkindmembers/guests, and any other suggestions you may have?

Now to tag some of you, the more the merrier!smiley

@MelAllyouneedislove @iListenIdontJudgeIcare@Harleen98 @chioo @MrMeNr1 @RainbowDragon @Sarahthepenguin1 @ZachGrandinetti@Humnah3 @Zaz @aparnakher @Chaliercy @DauntlessDylan @frankixoxo @Gemma8483@iListenIdontJudgeIcare @Jace98 @Jacobisheretohelp @JJill2 @Kayrosesnowflake @KendallNichole @mediocalcure @michaelahelps @Mikayla1000@Softball900 @SophieZhang9805 @sophiee21 @Stephz @SuperMark @tahleeheretohelp @therapinto @RainbowandSunshine @Avyukta @izza @Silentlistener97 @Aishaaa_ @OrunLeon @Resisti @Gemma8483 @Sparkleofhope @KendallNichole @MelAllyouneedislove @letmefixyou96 @Ringingbells2015 @littlepony @Mikayla1000 @Jessica @Sarah @Heather @Pali @Lynnie @frankixoxo @InfiniteSusana @Rachie39 @Niko @MathiasS @PoeticPuzzle @Pinkbluebells@mobbsy @amobachata @michaelahelps @SirJJelly @lovelyOcean54 @spftball900 @Jacobisheretohelp @iWhiteFire @Sunburst223 @guidingMusic @DauntlessDylan @gentleBeauty79 @ringingbells2015 @crazyislovely @Aishaaa_ @Hatred @Sinivaal @KeepOnSmiling @IWhiteFire @Jadetherose @StayStrongDarling08 @SummerMorgan @Frankixoxo @OrunLeon @ChrisE @Jessica @Kane @Pali @Lukas @Annalia @Evi @Pam @Roadie @Maku @Flourish @Cadence @Apple74 @Justin @JustinRarrr @Farheen @Jaelin @Jake @Sarah @Noasu @Iara @SoulSurfer @samc95xc @Mobbsy @EmmaGrace @Aishaaa_ @MelAllyouneedislove @letmefixyou96 @KeepOnSmiling @Resisti @Slientlistener97 @sweetBlueberry19 @Pinkbluebells @MathiasS @Gerogie4 @AdvenuRin @EmpatheticDude @Chaliercy @Lynnie @PoeticPuzzle @poeticguy @Niko @SophieZhang9805 @littlepony @Sparkleofhope @Randy_ @iWhiteFire @Chrissy @Aventurina @Jacobisheretohelp @Pnbamaina @Ibiihere @Harleen98 @Scarlet25 @OrunLeon@Laura @Heather @GlenM @Resisti

(I tagged some twicesurprise so the tags look weird,but hey ho nevermind ahaha as long as you got to read it!)

Lots of love❤

Looking forward to reading your replies❤

59
User Profile: Chrissy
Chrissy May 4th, 2015

Good postsmileyand good links too! It's important to have them saved somewhere, just incase!!

I think at some point, every member/guest will cause an issue at some point. It's important to recognize why this is.

When someone comes to this site as a member/guest, they need support. Most likely (aside from the small percentage of trolls) they're having a really rough time and just want to feel like someone is going to pay attention or listen. Now, in1-1sthis can happen really easily, as long as you connect with a decent listener. However, in the group rooms it's not so easy.

As soon as you put 10-20 individuals with different personalities and needs who all want support of some kind into one room, you're going to have conflict. When we're hurting we lash out a lot easier. It makes it even easierwhen it's through the internet.

As a moderator its importantto recognize that the member/guest is struggling and this is still a support site, even in the welcome room. Being empathetic, kind and caring. Give them as little reason as possible to start a conflict.

Whati'venoticed a couple moderators do is simply say'XX, language!!!'or'XX, go to teen support!'

This creates an opportunity for conflict.I understand sometimes when we're chatting to multiple people whilemoddingit can become difficult to keep up and make messages longer but making members/guests feel supported is our main purpose here and that should be the thing you focus on whilemodding.By sending a message like my example it can make the member feel like you don't care, aren't interested or even attacking them. This may not be how you intend to come across but when someone is feeling vulnerable, everything is important.

Instead, sending something like'XX, please refrain from attempting to get around the censor or using any inappropriate language as it can really offend andhurt other participants,we want everyone to feel comfortable here! thank you! :)' can make a huge difference. In this message, you explain which rule has been broken and why its a rule in a kind and gentle way.

Thatsjust my take anyway. Obviously, not every conflict is a mods fault. However as mods it's our responsibility to handle these conflicts and stop them disrupting the chatroomor becoming a huge issue. Personally though,I notice wheni'mperhaps not in the best mindset and mymoddinggets sloppy,thatswhen most of the issues and conflictsarise whereas wheni'mfully focused on thechatroomand it's participants, everything flows better.

User Profile: JustinRarrr
JustinRarrr May 4th, 2015

Maybe everyone already knows this, but I'm just commenting to say that, in rare cases, muting without warning is okay. But only for extreme situations.

For example., you could mute without warning someone who entered the room and said, "Hey, ****, you **** **** ***. I *** your *** **** on top of a **** **** ****. I've never seen a more *** *** website and such a *** ***** **** group of ********. By the way, MadeUpMemberName, you're so ********** ugly, a dog wouldn't date you. And by the way, **** **** ***** *** ***** ******."

If the member's behavior is so outrageously bad that you can safely assume that he or she would not change behavior in response to a warning, you can mute without giving the warning.

That said, these are rare cases. This is the exception to the rule.

5 replies
May 7th, 2015

@JustinRarrrI am sorry, but I have to disagree.

Unless someone is just spamming, pasting the same message over and over, or is persistentlysending similar inappropriate messages in really short period of time so that we need to act quickly and there is notime to give warning, we should never just assume things and mute anyone without giving them at least one fair chance to correct their behaviour. If an inappropriate message is sent once, it is perfectly fine to just click an x button to delete it and remind this person, or even take a chance to remind everyone of rules in polite and kind way. There is more information about this in our Group Mod guide.

4 replies
User Profile: JustinRarrr
JustinRarrr May 7th, 2015

@Maku you don't have to apologize for disagreeing xD

Actually, you're right about the guide. In a footnote about the warn-before-muting rule it says, "The only exception to this rule is if there is a spammer. Spammers may be immediately muted because of their extremely disruptive nature." I hadn't seen that footnote before.

I'm inclined to think that mods should also be able to mod mute without warning others who are also being intentionally and extremely disruptive. (Incidentally, I've seen at least one or two authority figures on the site express my position about auto-muting egregiously disruptive persons, so either the guide needs a slight tweak or we need to get people on the same page on this issue.)

2 replies
User Profile: Ace13
Ace13 June 1st, 2015

@JustinRarrr Yeah , that is something that needs to be discussed because many mods act differently on this , like some times I am modding ,i give a 1st warning and a mod appears out of no where and mutes the person without saying anything. Such things doesn't help the chat because other members will be offended by that and they will turn against the mod . That happens to often ,sadly

1 reply
User Profile: JustinRarrr
JustinRarrr June 1st, 2015

@ace13 i agree. consistency is important--both so we are on the same page and so members/guests feel like they know what they can expect.

load more
load more
User Profile: HelenHopes
HelenHopes June 4th, 2015

But what happens when the troll IS purposely trying to hurt someone?

I have dealt with this a lot recently.

The troll comes into the room and sees that there is no mod. He has targeted a specific member and tells that member to "Go die, [member name]." (and to clarify, this guest has said nothing else. Has participated in no other discussion; has not even said "hello." The only thing this guest has done is tell another member to die, and oftentimes, posts three or four times consecutively personal attacks on the member, before I even have the chance to type out a response.)

Do I delete this and give a warning? Or do I mute that person for clearly targeting someone? With this member, it happened every single night, three times a night, for at least two or three weeks. And when I did warn the troll and delete the comment, he would wait until he thought I left the room and attack the member again. To me, that just does not seem like I am protecting themember.

I also had an experience where a troll logged on and said, "I have advice for all of you here on7Cups" and posted ayoutubelink. The YouTube link was to a video that was entitled "Just Kill Yourself Already" with a skit or music video (I didn't watch it all the way through) to accompany it.

In all honesty, in these two instances, I did mute without warning. Both trolls came back repeatedly with the same behavior over the next two hours (always about seven to ten minutes between appearances). They seemed like extreme instances, where there is absolutely no doubt that the person is intending to troll the room and break the rules, as opposed to someone who might just be uncouth orunempatheticand might not understand the rules.

I will adjust my behavior and warn these trolls in the future if asked to do so. However, I do have to register my opinion (and the opinion of several members who have privately messaged me about this) that the longer it takes to mute someone like that, the less safe the room is and the more danger the member being targeted is in. It might not seem like a lot to wait thirty more seconds to warn a troll, but imagine being told to kill yourself for thirty seconds. Or knowing that someone who wants you to hurt yourself has the ability to hurt you for thirty whole seconds. Then thirty seconds seems like a lifetime.

@Sarah @Jake

load more
load more
User Profile: Aventurina
Aventurina May 5th, 2015

I have experienced this personally, and it was simply a case of asking people to slow down and to give consideration to those who are sharing their stories; and I got rebuked. It seemed as though I aggravated some more when I asked them not to ignore those who are sharing and to perhaps offer a few comments of support towards the person.

My Feelings: Well, my initial reaction is that of anger. I swear that I wanted to yell 'OFF WITH THEIR HEADS' to those who were needing lots of attention and pity, and who were turning the situation around as though I was bullying them.

How I handled it: I took many deep breathes, and gave each individual that was being aggravated the attention they needed. I reminded them what room they are in, and that we too would love to hear them share their story with us. I made my point clearly that the reason that I am doing this, is so that everyone gets the attention they deserve, even the ones who were feeling offended.

I never: threaten them with a mute / ban. Please need to vent out their frustration and it's alright. I needed to feel my reaction, and that's alright. The whole place is for healing and for them to be heard, and it's alright! Even Resistance is Good. Actually it's very healthy. Shows they have bonded, and are coming here for a reason, so I try my very best not to tell people off.

The way we handle uncomfortable situations in a chat group, is indirectly teaching the members how to deal and handle conflict. It's Okay. Do not be alarmed by it.

DO reach out for your own support. Do find a place where to vent and get it off your chest if it helps you to set aside your reactive emotion in order to still be able to listen to the people who are in the group.

Group moderation takes a lot of energy and concentration, and while I do know that not many Moderators are online at a time, I do suggest that it's always best partnering up with another. 6 people + can be a real handful.

[Side note and thoughts ~ It might be the case that people are forming groups/gangs and that they get carried away with each other and ignore others. ~ I've noticed that members are creating listener accounts just so that they can personal message each other, and that might be creating these 'tight knit' groups.]

Nevertheless, It's a wonderful challenge and a beautiful opportunity to understand what triggers you! And to work on your skills on how to be kind while being assertive. :)

Good luck!

User Profile: Pam
Pam May 5th, 2015

Amazing post

User Profile: AutumnLeigh
AutumnLeigh May 6th, 2015

I'd like to make a couple of suggestions:

Read the Moderater Manual...again and again.

^^^^^^^^ Chatroom Rules......^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please get into the conversation before making assumptions about what people are talking about and if it is breaking a rule or not.

Asking people nicely to read the Chatroom Rules orplease be supportive etc. instead of saying, "I'm warning you", or "This is your X warning" is much more effective in most cases.

When someone is disruptive several times under different IP addresses, sometimes it is useful to rally the group into trying to love the "troll" into leaving because they aren't getting the response they are looking for.

If a group gets large and moves fast, it's a GREAT idea to team up with another Mod to try to get everyone heard.

If you see a newer Mod or don't know them, please introduce yourself in a PM, thank them for being here and offer support as this is not an easy position.

I'm sure there is much more and I'm looking forward to further suggestions. I'd like to also suggest a Mod Availability Schedule so we don't find ourselves all in one room during some times and the only Mod available in all rooms other times.

@Maku or any Forum or Moderator Mentor.... I stumbled on this site and see many missing names. Can we find a way to get all of us involved in this great posting? Thanks!

9 replies
User Profile: Flourish
Flourish May 6th, 2015

@AutumnLeigh -missing names?

3 replies
User Profile: AutumnLeigh
AutumnLeigh May 7th, 2015

Hey Flourish! I think this is an awesome Post that every Moderator should have access too. I sort of stumbled on it and as it is amazing, have shared the link with other Moderators. I wondered if there was a way to tag ALL Mods??

2 replies
User Profile: Flourish
Flourish May 7th, 2015

@AutumnLeigh - No right now there is no way to do that expect if you know the nickname of all of the moderators.

1 reply
User Profile: AutumnLeigh
AutumnLeigh May 7th, 2015

Please let's all share then! Thanks!

load more
load more
load more
May 7th, 2015

@AutumnLeighI just now saw this for some reason, apologies for taking so long to reply! This is really nice summary and great post. Thanks!

You asked whether there is a way to tag all mods? There is, but it takes a lot of time and there is no quicker and more eficiant way to do so. So if anyone feels like it, please feel free to do so, here are instructions on how to see list of all people with particular (in this case, Group Mod) badge:

1. Go to Listener Reputation page. It can be accessed by clicking on small gray circled "i" icon next to your level bar.
2. Find a badge by selecting appropriate category, for example, Group Mod is under Community Interaction Badges.
3. After you find badge, you will see number of people who are awarded to the right. For example, for Group Mod badge it says309 Awarded currently. Click on this.
4. You will be directed to browse listener page that has added badge number in url, for this badge it is 139.

From here, anyone can access the list of all people who possess this badge and tag them if anyone is interested. This goes for any badge :)

3 replies
User Profile: AutumnLeigh
AutumnLeigh May 7th, 2015

Thanks @maku !!! I love this about 7 Cups. Let's keep caring, sharing and learning!!! :-)

User Profile: MonBon
MonBon June 5th, 2015

One of the most useful comments I've ever seen, lol. I've been trying to figure out how to do that for a while, it never occurred to me to click the ##awarded for some reason?? Haha, many thanks @maku

1 reply
June 5th, 2015

You're welcome @MonBon

I might make a new thread for this somewhere so that it is more visible and more listeners learn about this function since it is really useful! Feel free to spread the word and even copy paste this (or instructions found on the bottom of first post in this thread)until then.

load more
load more
User Profile: Ace13
Ace13 June 1st, 2015

I do think it is important to connect with modbuddies , it is easier to mod with someone you know because you can split in different room when needed or regroup (etc.) Good post ^_^

load more
User Profile: AutumnLeigh
AutumnLeigh May 6th, 2015

@maku oops on that one..

User Profile: Sharry
Sharry May 6th, 2015

Great post, so important! Thanks for directing me here @AutumnLeigh

User Profile: Acinonyx
Acinonyx May 6th, 2015

I wasn't tagged, but I'd like to comment anyway! I've found a really helpful strategy is to treat them politely, kindly, but still be assertive in what you're saying. Having the badge is inconsequential because we're all the same--the only discernable difference is that we are choosing to not share our troubles with the group. Empathizing with people that may be acting out works really well in showing them that, hey, you're human, too, what a funny coincidence! Many, many, many times, arguments that come up aren't bad or wrong or even disruptive--it's just the way they're presented and the emotional aspect that makes things complicated. If you try to understand where they're coming from, it can go a long way (even and especially if you don't agree!).

Many of the encounters I've had where people are acting out are a result of an accumulation of events--it's mostly not directed at me, and that's okay! They're more than welcome to express their opinions and vent--it's what the rooms are for, after all! If the situation is getting out of hand and distracting from the purpose of the chat, I'll invite them to PM me to discuss it further if they would like to, but warn that I'll stop responding at that point to continue supporting others. Some people are understandably upset, and muting is the only option to getting the chatroom back into a more stable state. I'm really happy to say that of those that do PM me, either in the moment or later, to talk, I've been able to work with those people and come to some sort of agreement--maybe not an amicable one (as @Aventurin says, much cursing and exclamations of frustration on my part sometimes), but we're able to understand each other to a point where it's not spitting and hissing levels!

The good news is that a lot of people are reasonable and misunderstood, and if you give them a chance, they can surprise you! I've had several situations where muting or giving warnings resulted in my listening to them 1-1 and fostering friendships with those "troublesome" individuals!

Tl;dr: communication is awesome.

User Profile: freebird
freebird May 7th, 2015

thanks for the post! and @AutumnLeigh thank you for letting me know of this post in the forum.

My views on this, yes, I have seen mods being looked upon as "bad cops" ( someone did say that once in the room when I was around). It could be the experience they have had in the past with some of us here that make them generalise. There were times, when I felt I am being targeted just for having "moderator" after my name. BUT things are a lot better for me now. I dont see many taunts in the room for mods as I did before. so YAYYY for all of us.

Agree on the warnings part. I have seen people get offensive when they are asked to follow rules. They feel, we try to impose the rules on them just because we think we have "powers". I understand members/guests being mean or rude to moderators, as they tend to come to the site hoping to vent out and they do not know how things work ( guests especially). However, personally what disappoints me most is when our fellow listeners are in the rooms and get involved in talks that can cause chaosin the rooms. Virtual groupism and favouritism is yet another thing I have noticed, wherein mods/listeners along with old members kind of gang up against an existing or new memeber/guest.

To sum it in a nut shell, I think we, first as listeners , irrespective of whether you are a mod or not need to be patient and abide by the site policy. We need to understand, being a moderator gives us more responsibility to protect the site and its user and not powers to be misused. Stay neutral, stay positive and together we can do it.

*sorry about the lengthy post and if I kind of went off track*

User Profile: freebird
freebird May 7th, 2015

@JennaHere, @pm229, @shikaa216,@vasishta, @Kash219... tagging you guys as I know you are mods too!

3 replies
User Profile: Upbeat
Upbeat May 7th, 2015

heartThank you @freebird.

its kash216*cheeky

very useful post indeed. We all mods should look into it :)

1 reply
User Profile: freebird
freebird May 7th, 2015

oopsie! guess this bird became a bat and was hanging upside down when I typed 6 ;) sorry, but glad you got it:D

load more
User Profile: pm229
pm229 May 7th, 2015

THanks freebird ^_^

load more