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Why do some forum posts automatically get minimized?

User Profile: exuberantBlackberry9105
exuberantBlackberry9105 May 19th, 2024

Hey, I have a bit of a question. I've noticed that sometimes certain forum posts automatically get minimized. I wonder why this happens because I find that this is a bit annoying if it happens in the middle of a conversation. Also, is this meant to happen this way or is it a bug? Any idea, anybody?

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User Profile: exuberantBlackberry9105
exuberantBlackberry9105 OP May 19th, 2024

I just re-read this and thought the post may have been unclear, so just to clarify, this is what I'm talking about:

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And this sometimes happens automatically without me clicking somewhere to hide/minimise the post. And I am sure I don't accidentally click somewhere to minimize it or something.

User Profile: Remina
Remina May 19th, 2024

@exuberantBlackberry9105

Hey! I think it is a bug because I have noticed it too! 

I am going to tag in some people who might have answers or know people who might. @Tommy @Heather225

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User Profile: Heather225
Heather225 May 20th, 2024

@HopieRemi

@exuberantBlackberry9105

Not to worry, it isn't a glitch! There's an algorithm that decides whether to expand or collapse forum replies, but you can simply hit the arrow and manually expand them.


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User Profile: CheeryMango
CheeryMango May 22nd, 2024

The algorithm is part of a new initiative aimed at highlighting the most helpful and supportive posts in our community. It considers factors such as engagement, content quality, and relevance. The goal is to ensure that valuable and supportive content gets the visibility it deserves.

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User Profile: Remina
Remina May 22nd, 2024

@CheeryMango

But the algorithm has collapsed some of my messages offering support :O Maybe it could be introduced to have the collapsing disabled in settings? :) 

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User Profile: Sunisshiningandsoareyou
Sunisshiningandsoareyou May 28th, 2024

@HopieRemi

Biiiiiigg Yes to this! Having that option would be really helpful.


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User Profile: calmMango9611
calmMango9611 May 23rd, 2024

@CheeryMango Thank you for clarifying this. I think it is a nice idea.

User Profile: SparkyGizmo
SparkyGizmo August 22nd, 2024

@CheeryMango


Many thanks for your response! 

*high fives* 😊 and *hugs* ❤️

User Profile: QuietMagic
QuietMagic August 26th, 2024

@CheeryMango @Heather225 @Jon7Cups

Thanks for explaining what's happening.

Yesterday, I noticed one of my own posts that I spent a lot of effort working on and wording carefully was minimized shortly after I posted it.
https://www.7cups.com/forum/autism/General_2554/Aspergers_333972/

I assumed that someone had read it, found it harmful or offensive, and flagged/reported it, which led to it being minimized. It's not a perfect post, but I felt a bit confused and hurt at the time because I didn't understand what I did wrong.

I put a lot of effort into trying to be accurate while balancing multiple perspectives on a pretty contentious topic. I shrugged it off in the end and told myself, "if my post gets deleted, at least I'll hopefully get an explanation of what I did wrong so I can do a better job of avoiding it in the future".

Today though, I saw a really beautiful post by @DreamsofAuratus that got hidden, and that was when I thought "okay, I didn't do anything wrong then--there must be some kind of site-wide bug, because unlike my post this one is perfect and I can't imagine anybody flagging it".
https://www.7cups.com/forum/personalitydisorders/General_2436/IthinkIshouldgettestedforbpd_335388/

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I feel that the algorithmic minimizing is catching too many false positives and that the site would be improved by removing it.

I can understand how it would help fill in gaps in human moderation (i.e. catch egregious posts immediately rather than having something really toxic/hurtful sitting out in the open for days before someone spots it and flags it and a human forum moderator gets around to reviewing it).

But it seems like currently the algorithm is using some kind of sentiment analysis that's catching high-quality posts in the cross-fire. Empathetic responses will sometimes mirror negative feelings expressed by the original poster, and that's something that is helpful and should be encouraged.

It's not a big problem, but I personally had a negative experience with the algorithm that I found confusing/distressing, and it looks like I'm not the only person to have had this experience.

Maybe an alternative could be to use the algorithm to set some kind of behind-the-scenes flag/report for posts that need a human review by the forum moderation team?

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User Profile: exuberantBlackberry9105
exuberantBlackberry9105 OP May 19th, 2024

@HopieRemi I too have been thinking this might be a bug, though I'm not totally sure. Thank you so much, Remi, for tagging the people who can hopefully give us some answers. 💙

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User Profile: calmMango9611
calmMango9611 May 19th, 2024

@exuberantBlackberry9105 Tagging @Cheery Mango Can you look into this. Please read the above post, for more information. Could you please try your best to help this member out. Thanks.

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User Profile: exuberantBlackberry9105
exuberantBlackberry9105 OP May 19th, 2024

@calmMango9611 Thank you for tagging someone who could have answers. I think the tag was meant to be for @CherryMango though?

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User Profile: Remina
Remina May 19th, 2024

@exuberantBlackberry9105

The tag is @CheeryMango :D  Team work, dream work!

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User Profile: calmMango9611
calmMango9611 May 19th, 2024

@HopieRemi Yes it does.

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User Profile: calmMango9611
calmMango9611 May 19th, 2024

@exuberantBlackberry9105 Yes.

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User Profile: CalmRosebud
CalmRosebud May 21st, 2024

Tagging @jon@7 cups

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User Profile: Remina
Remina May 21st, 2024

I think you mean @Jon7cups ?

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User Profile: CalmRosebud
CalmRosebud May 22nd, 2024

@HopieRemi

Thanks!

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