Part V: Sustainability Update
Dear Community,
I’ve got 4 kids. Part of my job as a father is to help raise my kids so that they can function autonomously in the real world. How do I do that? I care for them and let them “bake” until they are young adults. By bake I mean I want to create an environment where they can mature and develop their strengths as much as possible before launching in the real world.
What does this look like? I cover all costs and provide a rich and nourishing environment to prepare them for college. Then they go to college. I cover tuition for the first 3 years. They cover their last year. For room and board, I cover the first year, but starting sophomore year I cover about 70% of their costs; they have to cover 30% of their rent and food costs by working in the summer and part-time throughout the year.
I do this in a staged manner so that by the time they are in grad school or have graduated they are more or less living on their own and able to cover all of their living costs. I’m of course here to help and have signed on to pay for weddings for my 3 girls and do my best to pitch in during hard times.
In this context, I see 7 Cups as my 5th child. By far, my most expensive child! I have worked hard with the team and community leaders to create a high warmth and high expectations community for the child we are all raising.
And, man, has that kid matured and become smart and strong! When we first started, there were near constant fires. I was running all over the place. It was like having a very big and unwieldy newborn! Over time, 7 Cups went through early childhood, adolescence, and now, finally, it is in early adulthood and getting ready to launch (just like my twins).
We don’t talk about this much, but 7 Cups is big. It is a 99.99% site. That means it is larger than 99.99% of other sites on the Internet. If you lined up people from shortest to tallest. 7 Cups would be at the very tall end of the line and would be 6 feet 7 inches tall. Taller than Michael Jordan, but not quite as tall as Lebron James.
As you might imagine, it is very expensive to run 7 Cups. I won’t get into details, but I can share that it is far more expensive than anything else I have ever done in my life. You might be wondering - yes, that seems obvious - how does 7 Cups make money? At present, we make money in 3 main ways: we sell online therapy, premium accounts and branded versions of the platform to organizations.
Part of my job as the CEO is to make sure we have enough money. Just like I have to make sure my family has enough money. It wouldn’t be great if I said sorry kids we can’t go to the grocery store this week. Over the last 12 years, financing 7 Cups has been the thing that I have worked the hardest at doing. It is also the most challenging thing I’ve done in my life.
It is very difficult for a number of reasons. One, it is just very expensive. Two, we help a lot of people with less financial resources, so not a lot of people can afford therapy or premium accounts. Three, when you sell to an organization it is not uncommon for funding to stop or for other unforeseen challenges to arise. You can see it is like spinning 5 plates at once. I’ve been keeping all of those plates spinning for 12 years.
Like with my twins, it is now time for 7 Cups to start covering more of its own room and board costs. I need 7 Cups to start to generate more of its own revenue. In part, this is because I’m trying to be a good Dad. You don’t want your kids dependent on you forever. There might come a time when I’m not able to provide as much as I want, so it is good for all my kids - including 7 Cups - to be able to function on their own.
This leads me to advertising. I never did advertising on 7 Cups because I was afraid it would negatively impact its cognitive and emotional development. If we started advertising earlier, we would have become dependent on it for revenue. We would have been tempted to grow the population (even if that included folks that were harmful) because we would have wanted more page views to drive more revenue. I didn’t want us to be in that compromised position, especially when 7 Cups was still growing up.
Now, like with my twins, 7 Cups is growing up and becoming stronger and smarter. We are past the place of it being vulnerable. Adding advertising now will not hurt 7 Cups as a developing organism. It will, instead, strengthen 7 Cups because it will begin to function in a more autonomous and independent manner. This will allow for more dedicated progress.
How it has been with us historically is that I go and close a big account. This is great because it provides us with money to help cover costs. We work hard to align big client needs with the needs of the community so that whatever we build is a two for one deal. It helps the client that is paying us AND it helps the community. Sometimes, however, clients want things that don’t have any impact on the community. We have to build these things because they bring in much needed revenue, but they are also a distraction from our core mission of building a free, global, mental health system.
Continuous revenue from advertising will enable us the freedom to focus more on our mission and expand outreach so much farther than we could. The economy, funding challenges, etc. are extremely difficult to navigate. There is a lot of uncertainty and when you think you can count on something, well, sometimes you cannot and then it is very stressful to find new ways of covering our costs.
We are going to be thoughtful, careful, and smart about how we do this. Most of the advertising will be for guests (people with no account that are just visiting our expert articles or Q and A), but there will also be advertising for members and listeners too. We are going to be very mindful of ethics, privacy, and consent. Ads will be both programmatic and contextual. Programmatic works like most of the advertising on the Internet. You look for shoes and then shoe ads follow you around the Web. Contextual advertising isn't tied to you or your behavior. It instead looks at content on the screen to display ads. If you opt in, then you'll get programmatic ads. If you opt out, then you'll get contextual ads. We will be working on an extra build so that older users can write-in to support (help.7cups.com) to request ads being turned off. This has taken us quite a while to build. It was more complicated than we expected, so we are mostly focused now on getting these ads live. Please share any feedback below.
This is something that we are researching now and consulting with experts on. It will be a bit of a phased rollout. We’ll ask for feedback along the way.
In some ways, this is a big milestone for all of us. The child we’ve been collectively raising - 7 Cups - will start to function in a more independent manner. We’ll have more reliable finances and will be able to make more progress. It’ll be a huge relief for me too. I love 7 Cups, but being primarily responsible for funding it has been a very heavy burden for me to carry. I had more energy and broader shoulders when I was 36. I’ve been through the fire many times now parenting 7 Cups. I’m happy that it will soon not be resting on my own strength and, thankfully, good fortune.
Please let me know if you have any thoughts or questions and I’ll do my best to answer them below.
Best,
GlenM
PS - funding 7 Cups has been something we’ve been working on from the start. If you are interested in the history of 7 Cups and sustainability, then you can read check out the earlier posts linked below:
Part I: Sustainability Update
Part II: Sustainability Update Summer 2016
Part III: Transparency
Part IV: 7 Cups is Here to Stay! We are Now Sustainable!
I think @theboymoana has made an excellent point about accessibility and triggers (he brought up it specifically regarding flashing lights and epilepsy, I think it's useful to keep triggers in mind more broadly), I hope to bring a bit more light onto the hidden post as I believe it deserves the visibility!
Glen has mentioned that that we will work to not having flashing ads. I also hope there's a quick way individuals can stop certain types of ads on their end. I had the experience of an ad that violated the ToS on a different site but it took a while for it to be stopped and I didn't use the site for a while because of it. People come here to work through various issues, so hopefully there can be a lot of flexibility with filtering out what people may need to avoid to have a safe and inviting space.
Glen— thank you so much for creating this community of people who all share the same goal of getting better and stronger! I appreciate the care you have taken and also the consciousness with which you’re rolling out advertising. I agree that many of us are adept at scrolling past what does not relate to us, especially the younger demographic, but you know what? If it keeps 7 cups alive and rolling, I’m all for it! Bring on the ads! We’re strong! We’ll roll with whatever comes our way! Keep 7 cups vibrant and alive!
Kindly,
Patience♥️🌹
@Heather225 I had a popup regarding the advertising with a privacy option. The options/links on the popup didn't seem to work though and I don't see the option to change my settings as mentioned.
Was that just a dry run and the options aren't yet available?
Yes, we're in the final stages and engineering is testing that everything works. The goal is to launch this week.
@Heather225 Thanks!
Hi AffyAvo— the options are available but they are buried. To access privacy options go to settings for your account (the place where you put your bio). On the footer of that page, in teeny tiny type (you may need a magnifying glass) there is a line, privacy options. Click on that.
Kindly,
Cal
@CalmRosebud They weren't working at the time, but do now.
All, quick update on this front. We figured out the best way to do this. It took us much longer than anticipated, but we believe we now have things in a good place that will be very strong on all the things we care about and also help us generate revenue to cover the bills.
If all goes well, then we will likely be launching this next week. The vast majority of the ads will be on guest pages (expert articles etc.). There will also be ads in the platform proper as well that you will see.
Like with everything we do on 7 Cups, there will be ongoing iteration to get it right. As always, please work alongside us to help us address issues as they surface. We try very hard, but every new build we do has some level of challenges when we push it to production. The same will happen with ads. It'll likely take us a few weeks to dial it all in. We will work together and get them to a good spot. It'll likely just take collective problem solving and iteration to get there. Thank you!
@GlenM
Thank you for giving us this good news! I will definitively do my very best to support the site and members as much as I can.
@amiablePeace77
What Ami said! 😊
*high fives* 😊 and *hugs* ❤️
@GlenM I hope that conversations of any potential issues will be welcomed. I think it's reasonable that some community members may have a diverse range of concerns.
I tried a few articles, QnAs and saw no ads. Maybe I didn't go to enough.
I am seeing them in the forums.
When I do, it's often 3 ads on just 1 page of posts within a forum thread. One of these times it was a fairly large ad space, a forum post, a collapsed forum post (just 1) and then another large ad, plus there was a smaller one at the top. That feels a bit excessive on one page, especially considering it's a member-support community.
I'm getting ads in at least 3 different languages.
I have concerns about some of the things that are being advertised. I'd like to know what types of products/services are welcomed and which are not.
@AffyAvo I just saw an ad for cannabis 😅
@mytwistedsoul I really hope they can tighten the quality of the ads soon
@AffyAvo I'm sure they will eventually. I'm not sure how they pick them
@mytwistedsoul
hahah hhahah hahhahahahaha
Well, alrighty then....I'll have what he's having! 😁 🌱 Guess that's one way to ensure a relaxing afternoon. 🤣
*high fives* 😊 and *hugs* ❤️
@SparkyGizmo You gave me a good laugh 🤭 😂 Yes that would definitely be a way to relax that's for sure! 😁
*High fives* and *big hugs* ❤️❤️
@mytwistedsoul
I just got one for Whiskey and another for Jewelry! 😊 This is funnnnnn! 😉
@SparkyGizmo Probably shouldn't shop for jewelry after the whiskey 😂
@mytwistedsoul
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@SparkyGizmo

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@mytwistedsoul
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My computer blocks some of the content and it says that some of the links when I’m on the forms on the member side, it says that it’s Russian links and that it’s blocking tracking cookies from Russia
@GlenM Absolutely amazing. What a fantastic job you are doing 👏
I'm all for ads. Sometimes you get led to some very helpful content or products.
@GlenM ads aren't a big problem as long as there aren't too many. BUT. Our semi personal things show up in Google ai summaries and it's breaking our in platform privacy. You can Google stuff like username 7cups identity/partner/where are they from/favourite colour etc and it will give you an ai summary of things we said here. There is still some incorrect information mixed in, but it will just get more accurate with time as ai progresses. Is anything going to be done about this?
All, thank you for the kind words and support here. Thing will continue to get tightened up. See below for the ad categories we are blocking. If you see any ads that you think are inappropriate, then please submit a help ticket here and be sure to include a screenshot: https://help.7cups.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360002404573.
Ad types we are blocking:
-Weight loss products and cosmetic surgery.
-Alcohol, vaping, CBD, and gambling.
-Payday loans and financial schemes
-Adult content and subscription creator platforms (e.g., OnlyFans)
This will take a little while to fully tune up. I appreciate the help so we can be sustainable and continue to provide care and support at no cost to all who need our assistance!
@GlenM I will send more detailed feedback privately. I found the ads were pretty bad to begin with and have gotten worse.
I understand sometimes with an ad package the odd inappropriate one slips through that shouldn't be there.
My experience with ads on 7cups the past few weeks it's an inappropriate package. At least 50% of what I am seeing fit into the above categories.
I post here because I know some people are afraid to say anything or maybe blame themselves based on their internet usage (especially with people who have been exploited and/or have been dealing with addictions).
The ads that are being allowed are the problem. I haven't had a similar experience on other sites. Spamming ads? Sure. Not the combination of ads I am getting here though.
@AffyAvo
Thank you for highlighting this.
I understand the necessity of ads, and needing money to give the service going but all the ads are dating content, and so many people come here to escape sex and p.orn addictions, or because they've become fixated with dating sites and been exploited and now have bad images and views of women, so they delete all these apps and then are bombarded with them here!
@GlenM
This is very beautifully penned. We are with you. It's time for Cups to become independent. 💙